Welcome Mrs. Cedars, as you can tell by my join date I too am relativly new to the forum. Reading Crisis of Conscience was a turning point in my spiritual life. It will upset you, you will be mad at the GB, sad for the years wasted and your world view changed forever. Please also read In Search of Christian Freedom, it is a wonderful addition to it as well.
Indian Larry
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Introducing Mrs Cedars...
by cedars ini just thought you should know that mrs cedars has finally taken the plunge and joined the forum.
she was able to log on for the first time yesterday.. though we both "awakened" at different stages, mrs cedars was very supportive and non-judgmental when i first began exploring my beliefs from a critical standpoint.
she is currently in the process of reading crisis of conscience and aquainting herself with some of the facts of witness history that were hitherto unknown.
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Anonymous Message to Watchtower
by jwleaks inhttp://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
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Indian Larry
Now would be a good time for anyone in Bethel who has had their eyes opened to help. Any info at all about the computer where these files are held can help them. A password, a IP Address, a name for who does have the access, anything could help them. If you are in Bethel, and reading this, your eyes have been opened already. Think about it. Pray about it.
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How Do You Think The Watchtower IT Department Is Responding To The Anonymous Threat?
by DT inso anonymous has declared its intentions to utterly destroy the watchtower society.
this will likely include attacking the official websites and trying to obtain the database of 23,000+ pedophiles in the organization.. i have never served at bethel so i would appreciate the input of those who have.
do you think they are taking this threat seriously?.
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Indian Larry
What are the odds that there is someone in Bethel with a conscience that wants to get the list out but is afraid to because they will lose their livelyhood and all of their friends and family? I would say they are probably at least 50 -50 especially since this deals with pedophiles. Since Anonymous has clearly warned the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society that they are going to hack the list, this is a PRIME opportunity for ANYONE at BETHEL that can help to do so.
If you are in Bethel and you care about God's children who are at risk of being molested, please help. Post anything you can that may help a hacker get access, names of the persons that might have those passwords, IP addresses, email addresses, or any password that accesses the WT mainframe would be a HUGE help. You don't have to give your name and the Anonymous group will take all the blame. If you really care but just don't want to lose all your family and friends now is the time to help.
Pray about it.
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Indian Larry
Here is another good one. You can print off a poster of these. I am using them in helping to teach my daughter critical thinking.
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Ray Franz book's available in audio format! Crisis of Consciencs / Christian Freedom
by Indian Larry ineverybody may already know this but i just happened to discover that crisis of conscience and in search of christian freedom are now available as audio books.
they are not legal copies as commentary press did not make a audio version, however someone took the time to read every page of both books into a good mike.
the sound quality is good and they are organized well for a iphone or ipod.
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Indian Larry
Both books are available on Pirate Bay. Search for: Raymond V Franz
Here is a link:
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7011688/RAYMOND.FRANZ.AUDIOBOOK.COLLECTION.(ENG).m4b.iPod
Don't forget to send some money to Cynthia or buy copies from Amazon to help her out.
These books changed my life. For those who have not read them here is a very very short review.
Crisis of Consceince: Here Ray tells the inside story of the GB. I think it would be very very hard for someone to read this book and remain a witness. I read it an I knew that was the end of the org for me. The problem is then I was so pissed off that I almost gave up on God entirely. (I know, for many of you that is not a problem, but for me personally it was) I did not want to go to another religion and I did not know what to think. In search of Christian Freedom was for me a book that provided healing. I reccomend both of them.
As far as downloading from Pirate Bay you need to have a bit torrent reader. I am on a Mac computer and I use one called Transmission. Works great.
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Indian Larry
This seems to be part of their campaign against pedophiles, see this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6If7vTIf1A
I think the WTBS better have some pretty good firewalls on their computers. Not only them, but any attorney that has ever been on record as working with the WTBS better have their stuff secure as well. It seems that this group (Anonymous) has already done some quite a bit of damage to scientology. They have also gone after Monsanto and Bank of America.
If the WTBS does have this pedo list on a computer and that computer has access to the internet they might want to reconsider that altogether. A group of hackers that are as dedicated as these people seem to be are not to be taken lightly.
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Will we ever see another Ray Franz?
by Emery inwill we ever see another governing body member leave the organization like ray franz did and speak out against them?.
one can only imagine the kind of dirt that's been concealed behind those gb sessions since the 1980's.. what are your thoughts?.
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Indian Larry
I hope so. That would be fantastic. The thing is though that Ray Franz was a person with real integrity. Once he started the deeper research for the AID book and started to realize TATT then it was inevitable that he would be ejected. It is really too bad that no one on the GB has the personal strength to stand up and do as Ray did. Ray's books have changed my life and that of many others as well. If one of the GB today would do what Ray did only with the reach of the internet and all the media we have today it would be known by a lot more witnesses. I really do hate a lot of things about the ORG but, there are a lot of people stuck in there either being held by family or simply out of ignoranc of the truth. I would love if someone would stand up and do the right thing.
The problem is if you are with the org long enough to get into a position of authority then every single one of your friends is a witness. For someone to come forward like Ray did would mean losing every friend they know, losing their livelyhood, being gossiped about and compared to Satan.
It is a lose - lose for a GB member . . . . unless they really care about God and what he thinks of them. Not likely.
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do you own a 4wd vehicle?
by Glander inif so, and it's the type that requires you to switch to 4wd, how often do you use that capability?
i know more than a few people with 4wd capability but never use it.
a couple of these folks don't even know what it's for.
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Indian Larry
For years and years I always had a 4x4 of one sort or another. Jeeps, Toyotas, FX4, etc. I mostly had them because I really love surf fishing. However all the enviromenalists have made it practically impossible to drive on the beach at Cape Hatteras any longer. I finally have moved to all 2WD vehicles for the first time in years and it really does not bother me at all. Better fuel mileage is a nice bonus as well. The only reason I would reccomend a 4x4 is if you are beach driving, in the snow a lot, or really will use it off road. Otherwise it is an expensive option.
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List of articles in WT Ray Franz wrote?
by faithfulslavedriver indoes somebody have a list, even an incomplete one, of articles rf wrote?
i know he contributed some to the aid book and occasionally i come across an older article that reminds me of coc or isocf.
what about ed dunlap?
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Indian Larry
Here is a link to the audio version of In Search of Christian Freedom. BTW the only reason I am reccomending this is becaust Commentary Press does not have a audio version available. Do his wife Cynthia a favor and order a printed version from Amazon.com as well.
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7011688/RAYMOND.FRANZ.AUDIOBOOK.COLLECTION.(ENG).m4b.iPod
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List of articles in WT Ray Franz wrote?
by faithfulslavedriver indoes somebody have a list, even an incomplete one, of articles rf wrote?
i know he contributed some to the aid book and occasionally i come across an older article that reminds me of coc or isocf.
what about ed dunlap?
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Indian Larry
He alos wrote the articles on "sacred service" in the early seventies. It is mentioned in his book "In Search Of Christian Freedom" - A FANTASTIC book by the way. If you listen to an iPod while driving/working out look online for the audio version. It is on one of the bittorrent sites. If whoever recorded that is on this forum, I thank you.